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	<title>Game Geek Speak &#187; Project Darkstar</title>
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		<title>The RedDwarf phoenix</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was kind of shocked to hear that Project Darkstar has been shut down, and its staff laid off. My online multiplayer technology strategy was hinging on Darkstar. Major downer! But I also learned that a couple of the original Darkstar team members, led by Owen Kellett, has forked the code and is trying to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was kind of shocked to hear that <a href="http://owenkellett.com/2010/02/03/shocking-news/">Project Darkstar has been shut down</a>, and its staff laid off. My online multiplayer technology strategy was hinging on Darkstar. Major downer!</p>
<p>But I also learned that a couple of the original Darkstar team members, led by Owen Kellett, has forked the code and is trying to keep it alive as <a href="http://owenkellett.com/2010/02/04/reddwarf/">RedDwarf</a>. So, that&#8217;s a very cool thing. I hope that it does thrive, because Darkstar is a pretty amazing server technology despite the fact that it&#8217;s not finished.</p>
<p>I hope all of Darkstar&#8217;s users will migrate to the new project and support it. Anyone can contribute code (though there is a sensible review process), so please <a href="http://sourceforge.net/apps/phpbb/reddwarf/">go make your mark</a>, and save this great server solution from the trash bin of history!</p>
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		<title>Darkstar multi-server coming along, as this video shows</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John from the Darkstar forums (and project team member? I&#8217;m not sure), has posted a short video of Keith Thompson (one of the Project Darkstar Server engineers) showing a demo at 2009&#8242;s Austin GDC. The video is a bit hard to watch if you&#8217;re sensitive to shaky motion, but it&#8217;s worth it if you&#8217;re a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John from the <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forums/index.php?topic=1195">Darkstar forums</a> (and project team member? I&#8217;m not sure), has posted a short video of <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/kbt/category/Project+Darkstar">Keith Thompson</a> (one of the Project Darkstar Server engineers) showing a demo at 2009&#8242;s Austin GDC. The video is a bit hard to watch if you&#8217;re sensitive to shaky motion, but it&#8217;s worth it if you&#8217;re a big enough geek, like me. <img src='http://geekspeak.creatrixgames.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>Apparently, the Snowman demo game is running on two servers, and the load can be dynamically managed so that if one server reaches a limit, clients will be moved onto the second server. Interestingly, this means both clients that are logging in and clients that are already in the middle of a game. The load is balanced transparently by Darkstar, with clients continuing without a hitch.</p>
<p>Looks like they also have some decent monitoring tools. I wonder if those will get released to the community?</p>
<p>I wish them all the best, because I&#8217;m using Darkstar for most (possibly all) of my future games. Go Darkstar team!!</p>
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		<title>When ActionScript talks to Java using bytes</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Java]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve just finished building my client/server communication loop for Spirits of Gaia. The client is Flash (Flex), and the server is Java (built on Project Darkstar). Darkstar uses a binary message format, which is a different approach from something like SmartFox, which uses strings (&#8220;raw&#8221;, XML, or JSON). I had experience with SmartFox, but I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just finished building my client/server communication loop for Spirits of Gaia. The client is Flash (Flex), and the server is Java (built on Project Darkstar).</p>
<p>Darkstar uses a binary message format, which is a different approach from something like SmartFox, which uses strings (&#8220;raw&#8221;, XML, or JSON). I had experience with SmartFox, but I hadn&#8217;t tried to implement a binary format in Flash before. It really wasn&#8217;t bad in the end, and most of my time was spent just learning about ByteBuffers and ByteArrays in ridiculous amounts of detail.</p>
<p>And&#8211;of course&#8211;one of my bugs probably induced more research than necessary as I attributed malfunctions to various other possible causes. The bug was that I inherited one of the command processing classes from a base class which didn&#8217;t implement what I thought it did, so it was silently failing. <img src='http://geekspeak.creatrixgames.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />  But I learned a lot. A <i>whole fricken lot!</i> And that&#8217;s enough learning for anybody.</p>
<p>So one issue is that you can&#8217;t be sure what the endian-ness is for the server or the client. Well, maybe you can, but before now I didn&#8217;t know enough about it to make any assumptions. Darkstar uses ByteBuffers to hold incoming messages, and the default for Java is big endian for ByteBuffer. Thus, I use big endian on the server.</p>
<p>I had a feeling that Flash would take care of it for me, but of course I wanted to make sure it was using big endian, too. For a while, though, I didn&#8217;t know how to make a ByteArray use big endian or little endian.</p>
<p><img src="http://geekspeak.creatrixgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hexadecimal.png" alt="hexadecimal" title="hexadecimal" width="200" height="218" class="alignright size-full wp-image-395" /> My first approach was to get around it entirely by encoding all values that require more than 1 byte into hex strings. What a joyful aside that was! (Sarcasm, you see.) I mean, now I know how to encode anything to hex and back and do it sideways, too. But, this wasn&#8217;t working so well and it was bloating the nice binary format anyway. (No, I wasn&#8217;t really concerned about the size of the packets based on that, but if there&#8217;s a better way <i>and</i> it&#8217;s more space efficient&#8211;why not?)</p>
<p>Then I dug a bit deeper and realized that you can tell a ByteArray to use big endian like this:</p>
<pre>
var buffer:ByteArray = new ByteArray();
buffer.endian = Endian.BIG_ENDIAN;
</pre>
<p>Hard, huh? <img src='http://geekspeak.creatrixgames.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  So then I didn&#8217;t need to encode multi-byte values into fun hex strings anymore (with one exception). So my PacketBuffer class got a bit more efficient in speed and size, and all is well now.</p>
<p>The one exception is for Java long values, which are 8 bytes. Flash (as far as I know) has no way to pull an 8-byte value from a ByteArray. And, no, I don&#8217;t want to do it by hand&#8211;which doesn&#8217;t mean I won&#8217;t! If encoding to hex string doesn&#8217;t work out, then I&#8217;ll write some code to stitch 8 bytes into a long value and stuff that into a Number (since it won&#8217;t fit into a 4-byte int). But, honestly, that kind of stuff is not my cup of tea because it&#8217;s not fun to me. But if it&#8217;s gotta be done, I&#8217;m a professional, so I&#8217;ll buckle down and do it. Clearly, I want to whine about it <i>a lot</i> just in case I do really need to do it.</p>
<p>For completeness, you tell a Java ByteBuffer to use big endian like this:</p>
<pre>
final ByteBuffer buffer = ByteBuffer.allocate( someSize );
buffer.order( ByteOrder.BIG_ENDIAN );
</pre>
<p>I think it&#8217;s ok to assume that Java (and Darkstar) will still default to big endian on whatever OS my future game server will be running (a flavor of Linux, no doubt). If I run into some bizarre bug where command ids are getting scrambled, I&#8217;ll know the first place to look.</p>
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		<title>Evaluating Project Darkstar: the verdict</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time with Project Darkstar. I put in tens of hours reading forum posts and anything else I could get my hands on. I built a very simple MUD with it, and I looked through a bunch of other people&#8217;s code. When Darkstar delivers, it will be really amazing, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time with <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/">Project Darkstar</a>. I put in tens of hours reading forum posts and anything else I could get my hands on. I built a very simple MUD with it, and I looked through a bunch of other people&#8217;s code. When Darkstar delivers, it will be really amazing, and what exists today is already very cool. It offers solutions to some monstrously difficult problems.</p>
<p>Probably the best thing I found was that you can treat your game logic like a single threaded application. You never have to touch locks or synchronization unless you go under the application layer (a place I feared to tread).</p>
<p>The data store is also really cool, because you can stop worrying about game crashes and if that will force you to roll back hours of gameplay&#8211;it won&#8217;t. At most, a few seconds are lost. That&#8217;s a huge worry out of the way. One problem here, though, is that there&#8217;s no easy way to upgrade or patch the data store unless you wipe it and restart from scratch. You&#8217;ll have to write a custom tool to update it without wiping it.</p>
<p>All that said, the real issue holding Darkstar back right now is that it simply isn&#8217;t finished. It&#8217;s almost finished (give it 6 more months), but there&#8217;s one key feature that is a show stopper for me: it doesn&#8217;t scale. It can&#8217;t do anything besides a single-node right now. If you run multi-node, each node will be isolated, which is the same end result.</p>
<p>This really disappoints me, because the technology is otherwise really powerful, and I like it a lot. Sometime near the end of 2009, the <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/external/roadmap.html">roadmap</a> says the PDS team will have multinode completed. When that happens, Darkstar will finally be a very potent game server solution! And I&#8217;ll be going back to it.</p>
<p>Until then, what next? I&#8217;m going to look into the <a href="http://www.exitgames.com/product/neutron">Neutron</a> service from <a href="http://www.exitgames.com/home">Exit Games</a>. <em>(Update: After some deeper digging, I don&#8217;t think this is what I&#8217;m looking for, although I will still give it an eyeball. It also feels like it&#8217;s going to be on the expensive side.)</em></p>
<p><em>(Update 2: After some pacing around the house and thinking, I have come up with a couple of options for how to continue to use Darkstar for my upcoming game. I haven&#8217;t decided exactly what path to take yet, but I think it will be worth it to try and make it work. I&#8217;m counting on you, Darkstar team!! <img src='http://geekspeak.creatrixgames.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</em></p>
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		<title>Learning resources for Darkstar newbies</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Java]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Project Darkstar]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been intensely researching Project Darkstar Server (PDS). Along the way, I thought I would collect some of the documentation, forum posts, and tutorials that have helped me understand how to get started. I&#8217;ve tried to avoid outdated stuff and only post things relevant to the latest Darkstar (0.9.9 0.9.10 0.9.11). Over time, I will [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been intensely researching Project Darkstar Server (PDS). Along the way, I thought I would collect some of the documentation, forum posts, and tutorials that have helped me understand how to get started. I&#8217;ve tried to avoid outdated stuff and only post things relevant to the latest Darkstar (<del datetime="2009-07-13T16:12:47+00:00">0.9.9</del> <del datetime="2009-11-07T16:29:20+00:00">0.9.10</del> 0.9.11). Over time, I will add more as my own knowledge and experience deepens.</p>
<p>So, I present to you <i>A collection of valuable links and resources for finding your way through the Darkstar code thicket.</i></p>
<h3>Getting Started</h3>
<p>You&#8217;ll need to <a href="http://java.sun.com/javase/">understand this</a> before you even get started.</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/faq.html">FAQ</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/components/com_mambowiki/images/a/a9/Javaone_darkstar2009.pdf">Darkstar overview</a> (PDF)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/components/com_mambowiki/images/c/cc/OH2008aPoster.pdf">Architecture diagram</a> (PDF)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/components/com_mambowiki/images/2/29/Coding_project_darkstar_games.pdf"><i>Coding Darkstar Games</i> presentation slides</a> (PDF)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/external/projects.html">Some projects built on Darkstar</a> (clients, tools, etc.)</li>
</ul>
<h4>Server</h4>
<ul>
<li>Official <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/distributions/current/sgs-server/tutorial/ServerAppTutorial.pdf">server tutorial</a> (PDF)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/distributions/current/sgs-server/doc/">Server API documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="http://blogs.sun.com/stp/entry/authentication_or_the_gaps_where">Authentication protocol</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=702.0">Darkstar compared to Electroserver/SmartFox Server</a></li>
</ul>
<h4>Example Clients</h4>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/distributions/current/sgs-client/tutorial/ClientTutorial.pdf">Official (Java) client tutorial</a> (PDF)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/components/com_mambowiki/images/c/c4/Darkstar-as3-jw-GDC09.pdf">A Flash client implementation</a> (PDF)</li>
</ul>
<h3>Darkstar Basics</h3>
<ul>
<li>The mighty Seth and Owen wrote a framework called <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=1316.0">Slipstream</a> and an accompanying <a href="https://slipstream.dev.java.net/source/browse/slipstream/trunk/doc/slipstream.pdf?rev=49">document</a> (PDF) which is invaluable for learning.</li>
<li>Configuring <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=1025.0">logging output</a> and more about <a href="http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/guide/util/logging/overview.html">Java logging</a></li>
<li><a href="https://darkmud-redux.dev.java.net/alm-process/1-Tutorial/documents/UnderstandingDarkMud01.html">Understanding the communications model</a> (client/server direct and channels)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=998.0">Channels, sessions, listeners</a></li>
<li>JavaOne 2008 <a href="http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/j1lab.jsp?lab=LAB-7400LT&#038;yr=2008&#038;track=1">MUD tutorial</a> (useful, if somewhat dated)</li>
<li>JavaOne 2009 <a href="http://projectdarkstar.com/handsonlab/intro.html">Project Snowman tutorial</a>, which is a 3d multiplayer game. Very useful! It&#8217;s been said that this game was <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=683.msg4567">handling 3000 clients</a> on a single server node.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=883.0">To partition the world, or not?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=945.0">Server side physics, or not?</a> Or something in between?</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=435.msg2705">Discussion on how clients talk to each other and the server</a>. Interesting thoughts about latency hiding if you haven&#8217;t been exposed to the kinds of issues multiplayer programming presents.</li>
<li>An insightful discussion which reveals a lot about <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=1299.0">Darkstar performance tuning and profiling</a>.</li>
</ul>
<h3>Understanding Managed Objects</h3>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=897.0">Serializable properties of managed objects</a> (MOs)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=51.0">Static data in a multi-VM environment</a> and <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=1092.0">when it might be ok to use static data</a> (and a bit quicker to the point than the first previous link).</li>
<li><a href="http://blogs.sun.com/stp/date/20080924">When/why managed tasks</a></li>
<li>Managed objects in relation to <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=79.msg2536#msg2536">storing persistent player data</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=586.0">World representation and data transfer</a></li>
</ul>
<h3>Understanding Tasks</h3>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=940.0">Task and scheduling tasks</a></li>
<li><a href="http://blogs.sun.com/stp/date/20080924">When/why managed tasks</a> (repeated since it&#8217;s relevant to MOs and Tasks)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=60.0">Task-based updates</a> instead of inner loops</li>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=774.0">Reactive (event-based) updates</a> instead of polling update loop</li>
<li>More on <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=920.0">being reactive instead of polling</a></li>
<li>Monitoring task execution and failures <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=1322.0">using logging output</a></li>
</ul>
<h3>Services and Managers</h3>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=470.15">RPC under Darkstar</a></li>
<li><a href="http://blogs.sun.com/stp/entry/writing_services">Writing your own service</a></li>
</ul>
<h3>Protocols and Transports</h3>
<ul>
<li>Using the <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forums/index.php?topic=1217.0">pluggable transport/protocol layer</a> (may assist your initial understanding)</li>
</ul>
<h3>Known Issues (Big Ones)</h3>
<ul>
<li><del datetime="2009-11-07T16:27:05+00:00"><a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=79.0">Time gap when the server shuts down and restarts</a></del> This is resolved in <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=1302.0">PDS 0.9.11</a>!</li>
<li>Difficulties <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=134.0">patching a live server</a></li>
<li>More discussion about <a href="http://www.projectdarkstar.com/forum/?topic=333.0">overcoming issues updating live servers</a></li>
</ul>
<h3>Vital Tools</h3>
<ul>
<li>Gamalocus <a href="http://code.google.com/p/darkstar-profiler/">profiler and viewer</a> &#8211; <i>really</i> useful, and the graphical viewer makes interpreting the data much easier. It hasn&#8217;t been updated in a while, so I hope the project owner keeps it up to date or it can be given a new maintainer.</li>
<li><a href="https://darkstar-services.dev.java.net/source/browse/darkstar-services/">Asynchronous task library</a> &#8211; if you need to do anything outside of Darkstar (like access a database), you will probably want to use this to work outside the Darkstar task time limitation. (I wish this was on Google code. The Java.net site is really horrible [and slow for me] by comparison.)</li>
<li><a href="https://mocksgs.dev.java.net/">MockSGS</a> &#8211; a unit testing library for Darkstar.</li>
</ul>
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